SpiderMan 3: Attack of The Emo BS

[The Hatter]

WARNING!!! This post contains SPOILERS. As well as a healthy dose of explitives.

SWEET MERCIFULL CHRIST ON A CRACKER....

Well now that I have that out of the way. I cannot stress enough that this movie was a complete dissapointment in everyway. If you where like me, and watched the trailers with giddy abandon at finaly being able to see Venom on the big screen, you too probably went to see the Midnight showing of this movie. I personaly made sure that I was out of Lodge in time to make the trip to Huber Heights just so I could be one of the first people to say "FUCK! THAT WAS AWESOME!" at this "grand movie".

Well, sadly to say, Hollywood has yet again disapointed me. When the movie starts out you basicaly get your standard catch up part. Peter and Mary Jane are together, Harry Osborne is still pissed at Spider Man for Axing his old-man, Aunt May is still the closest thing to Madame Web that we can find, and New York is still under the impression that nothing bad will happen now that the Green Goblin is gone.

Skip, skip, skip, blah, blah, blah. We get the point where a meteor falls to eath and that trademark black goo oozes from the meteor and follows Parker home like a slurping, gelatinous puppy. Harry dons the suit and moniker of his daddy and goes to try and kill peter and is knocked senceless, and forgets that he hates Peter and forgets that he's the "HobGoblin". Everything is fine, the Symbiote finds peter fuses to one of his suits and peter wears it. Now we come to the parts that fuck up this time honored storyline. After awhile of wearing the suit, Peter just decides not to take it off and just wear it under his clouthes. Okay, fine, that works.

Well once he has it on for about a day, you start to notice that it's changing him....not just mentally. I swear, I look down for two seconds look back up and he turns Emo on me. He might as well have been slitting his wrists and singing My Chemical Romance songs. WHich brings me to Eddie Brock Jr. and Gwen Stacy. Two original cast members from the storyline but they managed to fuck them up too.

Eddie Brock Jr. is supposed to a complete asshole, a meglomaniac and a schouvanist. Nope, just a whiney little bitch who becomes "Venom" (now keep in mind he is never given a name...he's just Venom because he looks the part.....apprently.). Now durring the course of the movie, Peter and Mary Jane break up. This happens in Cannon and Peter starts dating Gwen Stacy. Well they fucked it up even more by not killing her.

Spidy is supposed to try and save Gwen from the Green Goblin he cant' make it to her while she's falling from the bridge and so he tries to grab her with his web shot but she stops to quckly in mid-air and it snaps her neck, killing her. If they would have done that it would have been a decent re-telling of the story.

Also. My big beef with this movie is that if you watched the previews, you would have thought that this movie would have been all about Venom. The preview is almost 75% him. But in the actual movie, he only get about 15 minutes of screen time, he isn't ever called Venom, and then he dies at the end. And then to top it all off, Sandman (which I don't have a gripe about in this movie because despite all the other horrindous fuck-ups, they kept to his story line pretty well and it was put together well into a film that blows...so cudos to them on that.) and "Venom" team up to kill Spidy, only to have Harry come....AND HELP SPIDERMAN DEFEAT THEM....AND THEN HE DIES TOO!!!!

Personally I'm calling for a boycot of this movie. If you haven't seen it, don't, and if you have tell people not to. This can't go on anymore. They're taking something away from these kids that we grew up with, and I don't think they should be allowed to do that. I mean they still have three more movies in the works with the Spider Man title attached to them, and I know for a fact that we are never going to see my all time favorite spiderman villan, Sean Cassidy....aka Carnage. Because *gasp* kids will watch this movie. Look if the kids can handle mom getting punched about the kitchen because Daddy's breakfast was cold, then they can handle a movie.

I'm not going to be nice about this. Half of this movie was about Mary Jane and how bad her pussy hurt thoughout. Yes that sounds sexist...and it is. I didn't pay 11 dollars to see a chick flick, with a sub-standard plot line. When you go to see a Marvel movie, you have an expectation. Yes there can be love interest, because that's the drive behind alot of the stories, but those aren't the stories themselves. I think I saw more explosions and action in the film Elizabethtown.

All in all this movie gets a 2 out of 10 from me. Poor storyline, lack of action, bad character trasferance, and neglecting to hold even loosly to cannon storyline.

[Kensai]

POSSIBLE SPOILERS!!!!

Thank you, you saved me a great deal of time and money as well as reinforced that fact that I knew it would suck

You can't kill Venom... it was like when they killed Sabretooth in the first X-men movie... yes, kiddies, they killed Wolverine's one true enemy in the first movie!

I will not be seeing this pile of crap since they have screwed it up... again

[shaggy]

Ah, but you see you got to take it for what it is. A sequel to an already established storyline from the first two movies. This was the conclusion to the first story arc, it was all about redemption(thanks leeke). True, they messed up Venom for me, but I knew they would because it was Topher Grace. I didn't have much expectation and which trailer did you watch. All the ones I saw Venom was never in it was all Sandman. And what do you mean they didn't mess up the Sandman storyline. I call BS, they pushed two characters into one to make this Sandman, they are Hydroman and Scorpion. Sandman didn't kill Uncle Ben, Scorpion did. But they did get the part about him doing everything for his daughter right. And that is another point, he was a sympathetic villain. Which is what they needed.

Now for what is in store.

The good Doc Conners got a lot more screen time for this movie, maybe the Lizard will be next? Also, he is portrayed by one of the guys of off Drive, an excellent show on FOX. Where he portrays a sypathetic character.

There was bits of symbiote left after the explosion, I don't think Venom is dead. Remember a lot worse has been dealt to Venom.

Also, Harry is dead because his usefulness ran out. The storyline is done and they don't need him around mucking up the relationship between Peter and Mary Jane.

The movie centered around Mary Jane's feelings because it was about redemption. This is also the reason Peter lets the symbiote take over.

And lastly, you can't bitch too much. They kept the symbiote's weakness the same. LOUD NOISE!!!!!!!!!!

[The Hatter]

The cool part is Shaggy, that I can bitch about it. I didn't like the movie, so I'm bitching. Plain and simple. People can try and cover it up with the idea that the story was about redemption and all that. But in the end, people didn't go see the movie to watch a story about redemption. They went to see it because it was a Marvel movie, thus an aciton movie. I will not retract my statement about the movie blowing hardcore, because in my OPINION, it did.

[artemi]

I'll agree that they screwed up on some key parts of the storyline. However, I will NOT agree that it should not be watched. I think everyone who is a Spiderman fan should watch it, as long as they are willing to keep in mind that different people want to create different stories. While yes, this movie diverges are couple times from the 'main' storyline, I think that's perfectly fine.

Why? Two reasons. First, BEACUSE THIS IS A COMIC book character. They DO THIS ALL THE TIME in the comics, especially whenever they switch writers (and sometimes artists). Why is it ok for comic book writers to kill off characters they didn't like, only to have the next guy down the line 'resurrect' them somehow because they liked them better? They did this with Batman's Joker, originally, but the next writer realized that things might be cooler with re-occurring villains. Death and Return of Superman, anyone? I don't understand why one form of media might be persecuted for 'diverging from the source material' when the source material ITSELF does the same thing?!

The second reason why I don't mind the movie doing what it did is because it WAS STILL A GOOD MOVIE. Yes, there was a lot in the way of Mary Jane and Peter Parker's issues. You know what? That’s a HUGE part of the storyline! Peter Parker is just a normal man, with normal problems, that also has a career that makes him a Super Hero. You CAN'T ignore that part of Spiderman, because that is part of makes him such a good characters. He's NOT Superman, and he CAN'T BE Superman. He has to be NORMAL, like EVERYONE ELSE.

And that preview complaint? Oh, no, I'm not going to let that LIE stand, my angry friend. There are three main previews, and only ONE has ANYTHING to do with Venom. He's NOT IN the other two. And the one with Venom in it was released LAST. They NEVER stated Venom was the main villain; according to the previews you stated were your "Big Beef" with the movie, he's only in 1 in 3. Sure, the Symbiote is in all three of them, as is Osborn. Lots of hints of "the darkness inside a man", but only ONE with Venom in it.

In summation, the claim " you would have thought that this movie would have been all about Venom. " is a bald-faced lie.

Oh, and Gwen Stacy? There's still time for her to get owned. After all, Ultimate Stacy gets killed by Carnage...

Edit: Maybe I'm just a terrible comic book fan, but I actually prefer this version of Eddie Brock (who seems very much based off his Ultimate version) over the 'standard' one (of course, everyone seems to hate Ultimate Marvel, but… screw them. I like it). He was much more likeable in this version, and I think Topher Grace did a great job.

[shaggy]

I agree wholeheartedly Art. But I still think a few things were wonky. Like the entire thing of "killing off" Brock. But as you said bad guys have a tendency to return with little to no explanation most of the time.

As with the point of each writer has his own view is a valid point. Ultimate doesn't stick to the original plot line at all. And if original plot line congruence is the problem then why didn't I hear complaining about Green Goblin not being the Chameleon? The answer; it was a good movie. As was this one because it showed the human side of Spiderman. Now, I know some people don't want their super heroes to have a human side, but I think it makes them a better character because of it.

And the preview that did feature Venom didn't have him in it for that much. He was pictured for like 30 seconds. And anybody with a working common sense would realize that Venom wouldn't appear until the end of the movie because Parker has to wear the symbiote first.

And my complaint about it not being the correct way the symbiote was supposed to work on Parker is removed. I understand now that it bonded with his suit, not him. But it still worked with the way it effected him.

Now if later on they pull a Batman Forever on this series I will never stop bitching because Spiderman is my favorite superhero and does not deserve that sort of treatment. But as long as Raimi stays with the project I don't think I will have to complain.

The only thing I found funny in the movie, funny weird not funny ha-ha, was that both Bruce Campbell and Ted Raimi were in the opening credits and were in the film for about 6 minutes. But I guess that is what happens when you are the best friend of the director and the brother of the director.

EDIT:

Here is a link to what I thought the symbiote suit should have been like in the movies. Notice how he has a T-1000 type of thing going on. I liked that.

[The Hatter]

I guess what we need to do here Shag, is lets let by-gones be by-gones. You think that people should watch the movie. I think it's a waste of film and about two hours.

Let's just move on....

[dsim94]

Man, Hatter loosen up.
Stop hatin' on my Spidey's 3rd Movie"Spider-man 3."
Why you thinkin' it is a waste of time have you seen it, if not
SHUT UP!!!*STEAMING, SHOUTING AND EXTREMELY ANGRY*
AND NEVER DIS MY SPIDEY
And for a fact it should of been twice as long.
And the film should be honored to have Spidey's Movie.

[The Hatter]

dsim94 said:

Man, Hatter loosen up.
Stop hatin' on my Spidey's 3rd Movie"Spider-man 3."
Why you thinkin' it is a waste of time have you seen it, if not
SHUT UP!!!*STEAMING, SHOUTING AND EXTREMELY ANGRY*
AND NEVER DIS MY SPIDEY
And for a fact it should of been twice as long.
And the film should be honored to have Spidey's Movie.

What is your evidence for that claim Dsim? If you can't back up your claims like Shaggy and Art did, then I don't want to hear them, and personally I don't think that everyone else does either. Also, your flame-baiting tactics don't work on me. If your famillier with 4-chan then you know why this dosn't because of my Mod status on that board.

If your going to have an opinion there is something called evidence that you need to put into your posts. I don't mind that Shaggy and Artemi have opinions that differ from mine because they give some damn good points to support their claims. Learn some proper disscussion techniques please.

[Dyne]

In my opinion the movies were amazing, including Spider-man 3. Once you realize the movies are not truly about Spider-man but about Peter Parker you understand that this was the perfect way to make the movies. I personally think that they are the best comic-based movies so far simply because of it's about Peter.

Superheroes are going to always win. They are the good guys and especially in a Hollywood movie sense they are not going to lose. Not very fun. As an example check out Superman Returns.

Peter Parker is a guy. He has real problems. He has girl problems but is trying to start a real life with her. Something some of could relate to. So to make a character that is supposed to represent the opposite of Peter, I believe Brock (Topher Grace) is an excellent 'doppleganger' of our hero.

Venom's look was yes, scrawny, but it was to show an opposite of Spider-man and to lift Spider-man's image back to a good character.

And while I do not particularly like Kirsten Dunst. I do say that she makes an excellent Mary Jane Watson. She was moody, yet strong and made peter bend back wards for her. Something that Peter has always done in the comics, movies, and cartoons. I personally think she did a wonderful job. And yes, she did have a lot of camera time but that is because she is extremely important to Peter.

p.s. It's Spider-Man Hatter...